Monday, July 03, 2006


A while back, a rep from toonboom visited us for a show and tell. We found the software was WAAAY too complicated, on par with most 3D packages. Not only that, it costs about 3G per license, compared to $800 for flash. Kind of hard for the little guy to afford..

Production and human resource practices are all mandated by the software, much like a hive mind, or “the matrix” every one logs on, assigns and gets assigned tasks, approvals, and pulls materials and elements. All organized by this one software. In my opinion, Pretty silly to put your whole business’s eggs in one unproven software basket. I know people at MERCURY filmworks who went through Toonboom program bug HELL.

I love flash, it ain't perfect, but it's simple, and cheap, and *I* decided to use it. Maybe if I see a foster's quality product I'll change my tune.


Blogger james_william_walsh said...

i agree murray.. i think anyone who sees the way you guys do it would agree too... you should link some hot vids. miss you'se guys.

6:53 AM  
Blogger Gene Fowler said...

I'm in on that comment to Murdog, these guys at toonboom gotta simplify a bit.

They're tenacious though aren't they!?



4:51 AM  
Blogger onemanpunkband said...

i also agree, i was one of the few to go through the toonboom bug hell. flash is good.

12:10 PM  
Anonymous mercury_ghoest said...

bah... I use Opus here at CCAD and we're switching to Harmony next year...
Flash and Toonboom is like comparing MSPaint to Photoshop... Toonboom is awesome and much better and organized to use than Flash... I always feel like animators that refuse to learn new programs are mising out on the robustness of what the new programs have to offer, because we have a few students here also who just use flash. Also, it's my experience that OPUS is WAY better at speeding up inking and painting than flash

8:16 AM  
Blogger murrayb said...

mercury_ghoest-I've been in animation 8 years, and 6 of those have been using flash.(in school I got to draw on good ol'paper, and I still board and design that way!) The beauty of flash is its simplicity, I don't need a program to DICTATE how I work (what you so called 'organized')2D animation doesn't need to have MAYA style complex controls,it needs to be hand hewn, like the nine old men. So, by putting all these bells and whistles I have to wade through to do one simple action,(such as drawing a new arm while I'm animating) It hampers me from doing it the right way (non lazy, animate it yourself) I'll race anyone using harmony to do NON PUPPET STYLE animation.I feel flash is as far away from hand drawn I'M willing to go, I hate the interface of 3D animation programs,and toonboom is a lot like them, but hey, thats me. Looky here, my friend Ron Doucet the animation director of Collideascope chimed in at length on the subject:
toonboom vs.flash
anyhow, It's all quality of the work in the end, no matter how it's achieved.

8:36 PM  
Blogger boob said...

God Bless Flash.

I've been using Flash since version 3 back in college. If it were possible, I would love this software. Flash 8 has a couple severe glitches in the way of if's new filters but like ya said, it's cheap, fast, and for me it's fun in it's simplicity.

Oh, and great work by the way :)

8:22 AM  
Blogger Ron said...

Yeah, I've been using Flash since version 3 as well, nothing beats it! Yes, it has it's fair share of glitches, even version 8, but it's so much faster than OPUS that it's not even funny. Murray's right, if you were to give a Flash-experienced animator a race vs. ANY ToonBoom veteran animator it would be Flash to win everytime for a traditional-looking animated sequence. ToonBoom has great potential, but it's geared towards the techies that want to slide graphics around all day and rig characters as if they were 3D, and tween everything like a cheap CG paper-cutout show. In the right hands, Flash is the closest thing to achieving beautiful paper/cel-style classsical animation

3:14 PM  
Blogger Clinton said...

At the Art Institute, we used AXA. It was a good program, a lot of people who did 2D with me used it. The only thing I didn't like about AXA was that it was too buggy.

7:53 AM  
Blogger Todd Shmetter said...

I just stumbled upon this old blog and just thought id add .....

the one thing that does make harmony and opus better than flash , for those who want to keep away from puppet animation ....

Is that in harmony you can scan in hand drawn cels and automatically align them and convert each line to a vector.....

i dont have harmony but i would certainly prefer it over flash. Just because it has the ability to assign certain team members tasks and organise all of the tasks etc doesnt mean that it has to.

From my experience in toonboom programs once you get to grips with it all, its no more complicated than flash at first.

hell flash is unbelievably more complicated than a pencil and paper isnt it.

5:17 AM  
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