Sunday, January 21, 2007

DRAWING for digital animation

The DD Crew hard at work, or hardly working. Fun times, lookit all the smiles.
L to R Joe Alchorn , Jose Pou, Bianca Siercke Darmali Patel.
not pictured because he was getting coffee(?): Brad Cayford.

"Well, I'm back into animation in the New Year, finishing a cartoon started 15 years ago. Paraphrasing that Led Zeppelin song..."Does anyone remember DRAWING?" -GREG DUFFELL from the comments on his timing lecture notes a few months back.

timing notes

layout an' posin' for shorty mcshort shorts,
kickin' it old school with scene folders and peg bars.

f*ck cintiqs. why would you pay 3 grand to SIMULATE 10 cent paper? sure scanning is a pain in the ass but the result is better, isn't it? If you do drawings on 8.5" X 11" you can sheetfeed it into a desktop scanner. Or full size paper with a digital camera, why not?
drawings have a SOUL, viva la pencil!
too bad about the whole tree killing thing, but at least we are making wee ones laugh, unlike the pentagon.

Storyboards are NOT layouts.(on average) THAT'S whats wrong with flash shows. no individuality scene to scene.

P.S>Thanks for the hole punch lend, Marcus Cappelloious III.
P.P.S.> the best storyboard "software" is post-its.It's real world CTRL-Z.


Anonymous Blair Kitchen said...

Preach on brother!! I couldn't agree with you more.

7:39 AM  
Blogger ShittyShitLips said...

The drawing room looks great! I wish I was there to check it out in person. sigh

11:38 AM  
Blogger ncross said...

Who's that fat guy at the corner desk??? Hasn't he been deported yet?

1:18 PM  
Blogger Mirco said...

Everyone is smiling in this picture like there just pretending to animate and posing for a fake joke photo. Are you being slyly sarcastic and really doing animation and storyboards in computer? Possibly with some kind of nintendo power glove device.

7:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Animation's still drawn?... Good on you people!

*though i gotta question the elbow room here. Or maybe i shouldn't, in asia it's probably worse.

PS_nice comfy chairs btw..

8:04 AM  
Blogger Gabriel said...

i never adapted to drawing with a tablet, but i suppose a cintiq would be alright. I agree with you about simulating pencil and paper being kind of pointless, but it's probably still good for inking directly on flash, or maybe painting.

Nice picture, i wish i was there!

5:07 AM  
Blogger SteveLambe said...

Wow....harsh on the cintiqs, Mur. Just another tool for drawing.

I know it's not like paper but it really does save a ton of time. We use it for boards, layouts (yes...real indiviual hand drawn poses) and design. It's super easy for the supervisor to open the flash file, draw on top in red, and resave....vs redrawing and rescanning..photocoping...bah bha BAH!

I gotta say too....for's the tits. Super fun for playing with proportion and color.

With that said, it doesn't replace the sexy feel of pencil on paper of course, but it definitely increases production speeds in the flash pipeline.......despite what "mouse clicking old man Holland be's tellin' ya".

11:59 PM  
Blogger murrayb said...

I tried it, I dont like drawing on a warm glowing piece of glass, I feel like a star trek nerd(which I am.) But I'm sure we will succumb soon. I just wish it was 1940. pomade in my hair, bracers on my sleeves. Are those slick "shards of glass" styles that are so hot at the moment coming from the cintiq? nah, those shows were popular before all digital production. Maybe they are part of our generation's subconcious, growing up with video games. They are definately tailor made for wacoms. What about preston blair flowing organic shapes?
that David Gemmill guy seems to be able to do it, so it's possible.

I think I'm becoming a neo-luddite. I want to throw a wrench in the machine, and have a real world tactile experience now and then. Do you think people can LEARN to draw on the cintiq? Time will tell I guess. As for speed, I'm sure your bang on, but we have CHINA, the sleeping giant to deal with. We'll never beat them for speed and efficency. It takes a life time to get good on paper, I've chosen my path. The way of the sword. Keep your rayguns and rocketships. (bah, I just wanna draw on paper. It's more fun.)
BTW Steve, your kicking ass and taking names. I'm real proud to say I worked with you. I can't wait till you get your own work out there!

1:06 PM  
Blogger SteveLambe said...

Since when are you so against graphic styles? If I remember it right, you were the actually the one who got me all excited about studying the designs of UPA and Hanna Barbera. Plus experimenting with color. I'm proud to say Mentor Murray taught me some good learnin'.

Just curious, but is this newfound interest of the 30s n 40s/hate of UPA flatness coming from working with John K? I think he's an incredible artist, and a true animation legend, but I dont feel everything he says is gospel.

True that Samurai jack has too many straights (aka shard of glass), but then John is at the other end of the spectrum where everything is curves...even non organics like furniture and buildings. There's definitely a common ground in between that makes for good design and animation.

It's called Aqua Teen Hunger force.

Heh heh...guess we're way off topic of Cintiqs. Whatever works, dude. If poo gave me a good line quality, I'd smear it like butter.

5:48 PM  
Blogger murrayb said...

ATHF the movie. who green lit that!!BAHHHH!

yeh,(sheepish) I'm (currently) sick of the UPA clone thing, it's becoming over done. I hunger for something new and raw I guess.Im a disgruntled broadcast artist who wants to work in feature someday.(that is to say the features of old that currently dont exist)
I wish I could be milt kahl or art babbit, but I'm lucky to pull off a bad terrytoons. I'm loving ronald serle lately. But everyone steals him.

John is certainly stalin when it comes to taste, you should see the dirty look he shot me when I told him how much I love Chuck Jones' Grinch. "chuck's fifties stuff stinks, too florishy, flat and stiff".
Actually John has a cintiq and he used mirage for the tenacious D opening. But For john's solidly sculpted yet cartoon style paper is the way to go. Brad did all the JSB video keys on paper, I think it helped give it that certain something.

My phases come and go.
I wanna learn classic animation draftmanship, at least lately. I missed out on it in school because I never respected it.I feel the time it takes me to get used to the cintiq at my current bad drawing level is too much time lost, if that makes any sense.

Who knows? in six months "poo-mation" will be all the rage and We'll be right there with you.

8:29 PM  
Blogger Jacques said...

Guys! Guys... someone's already beat you to it :D

8:53 PM  
Blogger Gillian said...

o_o animating on paper?... is this some kind of magical fun-time animation studio???

2:48 PM  
Anonymous RUSKULL said...

Hey Murray! Good to see you're keeping busy ;) Nice work btw!


12:34 PM  
Blogger MW said...

hey Murray! that "animating on paper" sounds too good to be true! you guys seem to be doing things right - which is probably why your stuff looks so killer! keep up the good work!

9:18 AM  
Blogger SteveLambe said...

There can be only one true red beard from the maratimes, Murrance.

The race is on my friend.....the race is on....

1:07 AM  
Blogger CarolineJarvis said...

OMG!! is that paper and pencils?!?! Coooool!

5:21 PM  
Blogger sean said...

sorry to post of the lambey-murray debate. I am the true red-bearded maritimer (adopted/expat). Thanks for the nice note murray... now how about you post a little something. I know you guys are working on some pretty cool stuff.

9:09 PM  
Anonymous David Nethery said...

Murray wrote:
"f*ck cintiqs. why would you pay 3 grand to SIMULATE 10 cent paper? Sure scanning is a pain in the ass but the result is better, isn't it?
...drawings have a SOUL, viva la pencil!"

Wow, that warms the heart of this ol' "dinosaur" who has done most of his work on paper, still struggling to be proficient with Flash ("I don't like it: No sir.") However, I've got to say I enjoy using the Cintiq , too. But not as much as pencil on paper , so you'll get no argument from me.

I thought Copernicus primarily uses Flash for your production ? Is this a change or are you just doing layouts and poses on paper, then taking it to Flash for final ? Do you "ink" your clean ups in Flash or scan-in cleaned up drawings to Flash (using Illustrator to convert the scanned art to vector or what ?) ...

I've admired the quality of the drawings and animation you've done on John K's stuff and the Jimmy Swift Band video was really excellent. Was the Jimmy Swift video animated in Flash or hand-drawn or a combination of both ?

9:44 AM  
Anonymous David Nethery said...

Oops. I should do more searching around before I ask questions : found this extensive interview with Bradley Cayford over on Cold Hard Flash, with quite a bit of detail about how you guys worked on the Jimmy Swift Band video:

Brad Cayford interview

Great looking stuff.

So, it would seem that Flash is mainly being used as a clean up (inking) tool and then digital paint ?

10:05 AM  
Blogger Clinton said...

"f*ck cintiqs. why would you pay 3 grand to SIMULATE 10 cent paper?"

Amen :)

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